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Post by severedirkitis on Jan 7, 2010 8:03:08 GMT -5
This has come up a few times in the recent games:
A unit/individual remains off the battlefield at the start of the game for any reason (Stragglers, Parachute Assault, etc). Is that unit's Drive affected by other unit casualties?
I won't mention how we played it out, as to not influence the responses.
Thanks!
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Post by skorzeny on Jan 8, 2010 6:06:54 GMT -5
I've always played that if the model isn't on the table yet, then its Drive can't be influenced in any way - positive or negative.
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Post by mkcontra on Jan 8, 2010 7:35:48 GMT -5
I've been told the opposite by official sources -- namely that if a squad shows up and their whole unit has been massacred, they're taking a lot of drive penalties as soon as they arrive.
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Post by severedirkitis on Jan 8, 2010 8:43:59 GMT -5
I've always played that if the model isn't on the table yet, then its Drive can't be influenced in any way - positive or negative. That's how we've been playing it. The unit arriving doesn't know what's happened on the battlefield, so their Drive is unaffected. |
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Post by mkcontra on Jan 8, 2010 10:07:54 GMT -5
Although I'm interested to hear Robert's input, I will point out that if hidden deploy or straggled units do not receive detachment-wide drive penalties (such as for full-unit casualties), it makes scouts/para assault/OSS/etc extremely attractive options. I can understand them not receiving penalties while they're off the board--that is understandable, but as soon as they enter the game, they should suffer any/all drive effects that apply to all units in the detachment.
If that means they rout on their first activiation - so be it.
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Post by Scorpio on Jan 8, 2010 10:52:04 GMT -5
That's how we've been playing it. The unit arriving doesn't know what's happened on the battlefield, so their Drive is unaffected. But when they show up, and they see the bodies of their comrades everywhere... |
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Post by skorzeny on Jan 8, 2010 18:43:15 GMT -5
I thought the question was if their Drive was reduced while off the board. Of course fellows who show up to find their entire detachment slaughtered should start taking Drive penalties once they're on the board. As said, if that means their first activation, so be it.
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Post by Darkson on Jan 9, 2010 0:43:11 GMT -5
The Crew talked about this for a while and here is the Official Ruling:
As in the rules it states that the penalties apply to all units. As soon as the unit shows up on the table all Drive penalties apply.
Great question.
Cheers,
Robert and the Darkson Crew
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Post by severedirkitis on Jan 9, 2010 13:59:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the input.
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Post by xGIxJOKERx on Jan 13, 2010 22:11:02 GMT -5
This happened to my friend the other day when we played the Escalating Engagement scenario. For a while we both had officers parked at our table edges acting as a welcoming comity to the new and already frazzled units showing up to the battle.
"Hi!" the officer would say enthusiastically.
"The fire fight is that way," he would say, gesturing toward the sound of gunfire and screams.
"No need to look so alarmed, my good chap, here have some drive back."
Eventually, through the valiant efforts of the Wehrmacht (led by yours truly,) the Soviet forces were forced to rout off the table the instant they arrived on the table, essentially cutting off his reinforcements. Fortunately for my friend, only his last sniper remained in reserve at this point. Unfortunately for him, he still lost.
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