Heroes which grant Special Orders

[gnomesofzurich]

In the original rulebook, the Eccentric Millionaire hero granted one extra Special Order, with the clause that detachments can only receive one extra Special Order, no matter the number of Eccentric Millionaires they have.

Since that time, several other Heroes have been released with the same advantage, but without the accompany clause. For consistency, are these other Hero-types treated the same as the Eccentric Millionaire?

For reference, Basra has:
Midnight Requisition Specialist (p. 24)
Royal (p. 25)
OtW 17 has
Imperial Rule Assistance Association Party (p. 14)

Incidentally, the IRAAP hero could also use clarification as to whether their escort is a bonus unit, or an upgrade to an existing unit. I read it as the latter, but I have seen some on the boards interpret this as the former, in which case this hero-type seems unbalanced when compared to other heroes that 'unlock' a Green-training level unit.

Thanks!

[varagon]

In Bounty you can have multiple dirty tricks, ie, special orders...I'm new to WWII so I'm not quite for sure on the answer in this case, though. I'll see if I can find out.

[gnomesofzurich]

It is possible normally in AE-WWII to have multiple special orders; the Command detachment and Infantry detachment each start with two, and as in Bounty, you can use an option to sacrifice a unit selection for an additional special order/dirty trick. My question is whether the intent is to allow only one extra special order through hero selection.

Essentially, if one can sacrifice a unit selection for an additional hero selection which grants an extra special order plus some other benefit, it is potentially unbalancing when compared to the normal option of sacrificing a unit selection for an extra special order. One instance of a hero granting a special order it is evidently considered okay (as with the Eccentric Millionaire), but I wonder whether the possibility of having two or three heroes with this option is a little much.

For example, if you consider an IJA Infantry detachment, one could use both options to sacrifice a Green unit selection in exchange for an additional hero. Taking all three heroes as IRAAP, this would grant three extra special orders (as written), for five total, plus the benefits on improved gear for the IRAAP hero and escort (plus the possibility of three extra Regular or Veteran units, depending on the interpretation of the IRAAP's escort, as outlined above).

Any clarification would be appreciated, thanks for looking into this!

[skorzeny]

I think one stipulation that needs to be made is that you can't have two instances of the same Hero in your detachment.

[gnomesofzurich]

Feb 24, 2011 3:18:53 GMT -5 skorzeny said:

I think one stipulation that needs to be made is that you can't have two instances of the same Hero in your detachment.

That is one solution, although the text from Eccentric Millionaire certainly implies that duplicated heroes are possible, and I can think of at least one example in an official publication with duplicated heroes in a detachment (OtW 11, the example Veteran detachment has two Marksmen).

I'm not sure whether having duplicated heroes is problematic.

[Cilionelle]

I also couldn't find in the main rule book a stipulation for only taking one hero type on the same model. Is that just assumed? No Brute + Warhero?

[gnomesofzurich]

Feb 24, 2011 7:08:30 GMT -5 Cilionelle said:

I also couldn't find in the main rule book a stipulation for only taking one hero type on the same model. Is that just assumed? No Brute + Warhero?

The text on page 43 that describes a hero states "When a model is chosen to be a hero, the player must then choose a hero type...", the text on page 70 reads "upgrade an additional Individual to a Hero" and on page 72 (under the Command detachment) "Two Individuals may be upgraded to a Hero..."

So, it isn't spelled out in big flashing letters, but it is pretty clear to me is that the intent is each individual only gets one hero type.

[Darkson]

Correct. A model can only every choose one type of Hero.