South American front

[malika]

I saw this documentary on National Geographc Channel in which the Nazis tried to find the "roots of the Aryan race" and they travalled all around the world for it, hanging out in Tibet, but also in the Amazone area. It would be more interesting to have these missions as scientific missions with perhaps minor military support.

I think the Nazis would try to gain power from it to perhaps make weapons from the things they find or to find the roots of their race. The local population could be pretty neutral on this, some of them siding (or at least have a friendly relationship) with the Germans, while the others side with the Allies.

[baphomael]

recon63 said:

what about the Germans trying to find a way to use aztec/mayan artifacts and temples and use those associated beliefs/religions of controling the local populace. i believe something like that would be very had for the Allies to counter.

How, who in South and Central America still actually believes any of those old, dead religions? Remember, most of the people in South and Central America are Hispanic Catholics - given that the continent was subjugated by Catholic Spain and Portugal.

[malika]

Good point indeed, but do note that the locals have taken over local traditions and mixed them with the Catholic religion, this can be seen in Brazil but also the Day of the Dead in Mexico for example.

Anthropology moment coming up again

[recon63]

Also the Spainish and Portuguese did not (although they did try) set out to wipe-out the entire indiginous populations of those regions. Whats to say that publicly the locals /natives gave the appearance of converting to Catholicism, whilst privatel, and behind closed doors they remained true to their original beliefs/religions of that area.

No I am not trying to start a religious argument ( Roman Catholic....non-practicing at the mo...), remember that the game world is an alternate reality of our own world set during an continuation of WWII, therefore what happened in our past, may not have happened exactly the same.

ie maybe Cortez failed in his bid to hold the Aztecs/Incas to ransom for all their gold........maybe the Aztecs/Incas' rebellion was successful and the Conquistitors failed as a military expansionist regime and had to try a merchantile approach of co-existing with the locals and leaving the local beliefs and religions well alone. Expanding on that, what's to say that the 'OLD GODS' aren't still around in some format ( ie the whole occult angle). And that over the years, the foreign governors etc have had a 'visit' by the local gods and told "these are the rules, follow them and play nice with 'MY Children' or ........[insert the appropriate visions of hell, fire, brimstone, end-of-the-earth, judgement-day, etc, etc]

It would be interesting to see how the new govt's (Nazi; American etc) / regimes try to quick-step around these rules without pissing off very old adn probably extremely nasty gods (remember they did enjoy human sacrifice for many centuries)

[malika]

That is an interesting idea that the old religion might still be there on a more underground level. However even more curious might be the supernatural things happening there. The Nazis would have no interests in the religion itself, but are more interested in the power they might gain from aquiring certain artifacts etc.

However I would not turn that into a major part of the "storyline" for Latin America, the more 'direct' war between US, Nazi and USSR factions has to be the primary aspect, these artifact hunts might be secundary storylines.

[malika]

The Carribean should not be forgotten in this conflict, the US would have several colonies and puppet regimes in place in countries such as Puerto Rico, Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic. The English, French and Dutch would have several colonies as well. Since the French and Dutch are under control of the Axis forces the Germans might use those areas as bases. The French colony of Martinique would show heavy pro De Gaulle resistance.

The US (companies/mob) would try to secure their sphere of influence in that area by trying to outcompete the other colonial powers, but still working together with them to crush the German submarine bases. This might also work with Xeoran's idea of having a potential Axis attack directly on the US.

Heck...you could include Hemmingway in here who is patrolling around Cuba to stop German submarines.

Another big battlefield might be Panama, especially because of the Panama Canal. German submarines with Argentine allies might try to conquer Panama so that they have a better connection with Asia, resulting in creating a foothold for the Japanese. However this wouldnt happen since the Allies have a too pwoerful presence in the area of course, but it does remain an interesting front.

In Peru there would be pro Japanese guerillas fighting in the coastal areas, trying to establish a pro Axis government while most of the Peruvians remain more pro US. Perhaps have US (or Germans in secret) scientists there experiment with chemicals for new drugs to use.

[xeoran]

For the Caribbean in other posts I have mentioned the US was up to and during the war involved in several guerilla conflicts in these areas.
As for Aztecs, locals may not believe in them but the Nazis do and as this is pulp who knows what they might find.

For the Falklands following the progress of the German ship "Graf Spee" in the early part of WW2 should help.

[malika]

For the Caribbean in other posts I have mentioned the US was up to and during the war involved in several guerilla conflicts in these areas.

Of course we could also try to pulp it up by adding some Voodoo inspired stuff in there

As for Aztecs, locals may not believe in them but the Nazis do and as this is pulp who knows what they might find.

True, might be very interesting...but I wouldnt turn the actual locals into Azteks Perhaps a hidden Inca/Aztek city in South America...personally Im prefering an Inca city, since Machu Pichu was also pretty recently discovered, perhaps another Inca city would be found in the mountains, hidden away.

For the Falklands following the progress of the German ship "Graf Spee" in the early part of WW2 should help.

If we are having a pro Axis regime there I would assume that the Germans probably use U boats to smuggle supplies/support to the area.

[xeoran]

Voodo would be cool but that doesnt apply in all of Caribbean (speking of which Britiain controlled some places there such as Jamaica). Keep the Voodo subtle. Far more likely are home grown resistances against American imperialism (which is what they actually were). German "Werewolf" units (designed as behind enemy line attack soldiers to fight in Germany but possibly having been "exported" now Germany is more successful) might be supporting these.

Locals arent Aztecs (instead think of it Indiana Jones style). Maybe a "priest" has survived though....

Falklands is British and always remained so (much to the annoyance of the Argentinians and the relief of the Falklanders!). But the Graf Spee raided that area before being trapped by the Royal navy who through cunning made the German captain scuttle his own boat.

[malika]

Voodo would be cool but that doesnt apply in all of Caribbean (speking of which Britiain controlled some places there such as Jamaica).

It would be present in the Carribean nations which have larger African control and who were not under Spanish control.

Far more likely are home grown resistances against American imperialism (which is what they actually were).

Of course there was resistance against US imperialism, but also against fascism. Hemmingway being the perfect example.

German "Werewolf" units (designed as behind enemy line attack soldiers to fight in Germany but possibly having been "exported" now Germany is more successful) might be supporting these.

You have more info on them? Perhaps we could add the actual werewolf theme to these units. Me and Darkson have been speculating on including werewolves in the game, so perhaps these "Werewolf" units are actual werewolves, but in a more subtle manner (similar to the Lycans in Underworld I assume)

Locals arent Aztecs (instead think of it Indiana Jones style).

You would find a larger mestizo/mayan presence in Central America, especially in Mexico and Guatemala.

Maybe a "priest" has survived though....

Hence my idea of a hidden Inca city...

Falklands is British and always remained so (much to the annoyance of the Argentinians and the relief of the Falklanders!).

Hence my idea of a pro Axis Argentine force trying to invade it while the Germans try to do something similar.

[xeoran]

Agree with all;

Werewolf units were created in the last days of the Reich as SS men who would go undercover and act as a military Resistance force using saboutage, spying, assassinations etc. But if the Reich survived they might make use of these available troops as infiltrators. Not much info otherwise. Perhaps they could be given wolf traits- better sense of smell, faster over long distances etc.

[malika]

Actually the werewolves are an experiment to create the supersoldier, but they are still deployed.

[xeoran]

Ok..so we could mix the two or perhaps certain "traits" can be isolated but can only be used in those who's body accept them hence only "Werewolf" troops have these traits.