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Post by malika on Mar 25, 2006 8:57:09 GMT -5
Hmm...I'm not sure Hitler would like to bomb London when he could be bombing USSR. An invasion was (at the time) impossible due to the strength of the British Navy and Airforce. If he landed gas was ready for use as were the Home Guard. I find it unlikely an Invasion of Britain would get far. Rather i see the Allies as still holding onto Normandy. Compared to Russai too invading Britain is a fly. Russia was always the real problem hence the idea of bombing Moscow. Atom bombing is a big step up from conventional warfare. Yes, but the idea of a nuclear bombardement is just pure awesomeness! The Russians are already hitting back from the east, the allies are coming from Normandy, but the idea of an attack on London could still be possible. A missle attack, not a full scale invasion.
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Post by myincubliss on Mar 31, 2006 10:42:11 GMT -5
which then leads to a scenario akin to that found in the army of darkness rpg - london has been nuked because hey why not, survivors fight tube station to tube station, but there's zombies (woo!) everywhere... hmm (brain kicks in) there's also a wwii setting... with the deadites/zombies being used as the result of a pact made by the nazis... hmm... along with other pulpy stuff like demon heads with wings with antiquated weaponry just kinda stuck on... will have a looksie when i get home...
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Post by xeoran on Mar 31, 2006 14:07:10 GMT -5
An idea might be to have the Allies in southern France then, having conquered the Vichy areas... Its just that without supernatural help Hitler could never invade England. I feel a nuked out Moscow fits much better. Still nuked Londo has its charms and i can see a special forces war there (nobody else has radiation equipment...)
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Post by malika on Apr 1, 2006 10:18:32 GMT -5
Why is saying anything about a full scale invasion of London? Its just totally bombed to the ground, the Nazis send few elite units to retreive technology and intelligence while other factions try to do the same.
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Post by tordenskjold on Apr 1, 2006 10:42:56 GMT -5
The bombardment could have been in preparation for a invasion, which was then made impossible by allied assaults, like D-day
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Post by myincubliss on Apr 1, 2006 11:34:12 GMT -5
or made impossible by the fact that it's been flattened, and there's nowt much left worth scavenging except a few scattered survivors - there'd be the occasional aerial patrol, just to make sure we're not getting too rowdy, but other than that it's a desolate wasteland...
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Post by malika on Apr 1, 2006 11:43:43 GMT -5
The wasteland is filled with tons of potential treasures. -Royal jewelry: must be worth something -Secret intelligence documents -technological plans etc -important individuals -survivors -imagine something yourself The British might try to recollect their lost stuff while the other factions would go there in secret and try to steal these things for themselves.
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Post by myincubliss on Apr 1, 2006 11:49:38 GMT -5
ah, scavenger hunt amidst the rubble, i like... nazis hunting for the crown jewels whilst the ragged survivors of the british army hold them off out of a misplaced sense of duty...
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Post by myincubliss on Apr 1, 2006 11:50:34 GMT -5
all else failing, it'd make a nice expansion ('apocalypse:london') if that's how this game is getting spread out (what with the intro game being a bit hybrid like, as it were)
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Post by malika on Apr 1, 2006 13:02:16 GMT -5
Hmm I dont think this should be the main game, it would more be something for a skirmish campaign and then more heavily based on Necromunda/Mordheim or something like that.
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Post by myincubliss on Apr 2, 2006 5:25:58 GMT -5
that's what i meant by expansion (just to make sure, there's no sarcasm here - darn cold hard text seeming mean...) kinda like the cityfight 40k expansion - optional rules, special scenarios etc...
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Post by myincubliss on Apr 2, 2006 5:27:53 GMT -5
all else failing, have the world evolve! -kinda like in the card game with 5 rings - every new set they bring out changes the world (rokugun?) - this could be like that - out comes an expansion for fighting in ruined cities - in the storyline london gets flattened - allowing for development and looooads of fluff bg writing!
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Post by xeoran on Apr 3, 2006 6:43:05 GMT -5
a misplaced sense of duty... Not sure i agree with that remark...... Still, I talked invasion as otherwise its a bit silly. Nucleur bombs take a long time to build so throwing one away seems silly. I just always felt it wasnt exactly a very sensible military idea (bombing the Russians is though and could expalin much- say the Germans nuked the Rusians who then fall back, allowing the Germans to reconquer certain areas, including beating off the Allies in areas of France/Italy/N. Africa, possibly with more bombs. This would explain the gas masks in many ways and seems a plausible explanation for Germany not having been defeated.) London would make great backround for a city fighting expansion however. The other problem of course is that an Atom bomb would annhialate central London. Therefore most of the interesting stuff weould be blown up and it would be a f'fight for the suburbs'. Maybe a plot with German agents that blew up areas of London with small atom bombs?
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Post by tordenskjold on Apr 3, 2006 8:30:25 GMT -5
The reason to bomb London would be that Der fuhrer, even to the last moment, saw the English as a greater threat than the Russians. It had something to do with Hitlers twisted look at the Russians as a "lower race", where the English was a "aryan" race, and therefore on the same level as the Germans.
even Hitler's generals thought the Russians had been defeated in 1942, I think Rommel said "The communist threat has been struck down, and will never rise again".
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Post by malika on Apr 3, 2006 8:37:18 GMT -5
Blowing up London is not only a tactical move. Because lets face it, once you destroy the head the body will be practically useless. It would mean the British colonies will be in a weaker position. The Germans can stage a more succesful guerilla war in India, the Japanese could attempt to attack Australia. The Germans could attack more targets in Africa.
The psychological blow should also not be forgotten, blow up one of the major world cities, especially a capitalist city, it would also blow the morale of the US forces.
Now we could have a "proto atom bomb" to this, so that not the whole of London would be levelled to the ground, only some parts of the centre while most of London would be abandoned and seriously ruined.
Yes they take a long time to build, but note that in a Pulp universe we dont have to look at such realism.
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