Bombardement of London

[malika]

Like in the real WWII I think we should stick to this horrible event, however since we are dealing with higher technology in our storyline it would be interesting to see the Germans shoot an atombomb over London.

It is known that the Germans tried to create nuclear weapons/energy during WWII, in our vision of WWII they would have been succesful and actually made an atomic bomb and launched it at London. However this would be one of the first atomic weapons so still relatively 'weak' compared to the stuff we've seen in the Cold War. London would be destroyed, nothing but a nuclear wasteland. However the rest of England remains ok and is still capable of launching an attack, probably even with more fury since London is destroyed.

This would give us another opportunity. I remember some time ago there were suggestions of some ruined city in which several factions would look for "treasures". London could be perfectly for this, a ruined wasteland filled with potential treasures in the form of the Crown Jewels, all sorts of classified documents and plans (more strange weapons?), survivors etc etc.

[recon63]

@ Malika....

what yeld in kilo-tons due reckon your bomb on London would be ?? the reason for the question is that maybe parts of the London underground could survive Germany's 1st atomic attack and are relatively radiation free. there could still by survivors in the ruins trying to find the 'safe zones' to avoid the radiation sickness that would fast become an epidemic with which London's medical facilities would struggle to cope with on top of the continuing flow od wounded service-personel from the various fronts.


A further point is why not use the atomic launch as the first point in a counter offensive against Britian by the deployment of say.......a company of the Uber-soldats with orders cause as much mayhem and destruction in any areas possible outside of the London area.

certainly an interesting ideas for a plethera of gaming ideas........

I would like to know more .....

[malika]

Im not one of the official writers so its not up to me to decide what would happen, however I found this an interestin idea because the scenario of nuclear bombardement has been mentioned before.

what yeld in kilo-tons due reckon your bomb on London would be ?? the reason for the question is that maybe parts of the London underground could survive Germany's 1st atomic attack and are relatively radiation free. there could still by survivors in the ruins trying to find the 'safe zones' to avoid the radiation sickness that would fast become an epidemic with which London's medical facilities would struggle to cope with on top of the continuing flow od wounded service-personel from the various fronts.

I would imagine a bomb sort of similar to the bombs thrown by the US on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, perhaps a bit stronger. The idea of parts of London being sort of safe and an underground network which is safe are very interesting, especially if we will work out the "mordheim-like" scenario.

A further point is why not use the atomic launch as the first point in a counter offensive against Britian by the deployment of say.......a company of the Uber-soldats with orders cause as much mayhem and destruction in any areas possible outside of the London area.

I think that would make Germany too powerful, the reason why the bomb was thrown at London would be to weaken the British long enough for the Germans to get strong enough to launch a decent offensive there. The Germans are already high distracted by the American landing in Europe and the Russians trying to break through from the East. By destroying London it would be more difficult for the Americans to attack Europe because they would use England and an importnat position I guess. The Germans have simply bought time with this action.

Now the idea of small units from several factions going to London to find important items and survivors can be very interesting.
The British and Americans will try to find as many survivors as possible and important documents and weapons while trying to restore London.
The Germans would send small units of Uber-soldats (their standard troopers I guess) to find important items and gather intelligence about the British forces.
The Soviets would send small units of Snipers to 'support' the Americans and British, while in reality they too try to find secret documents and other important items, while gathering intelligence for the Soviet High Command.

I know that the Soviets and Americans/Brittish were allies, but remember that their alliance wasnt a too fraternal one, the Brittish and Americans attacked Russia during the civil war and they are each others' ideological counterparts. So sure they would work together, but they would also try to spy on each other and even try to sabotage each other from time to time.

[recon63]

I take it that with your above post, the ruins of London could actually be turned into if you like a Training area for what is the beginning of a "COLD WAR" style.

the British/American trying to protect what's left of London and any secret facilities/treasuries/survivors/VIPs and to see if there is a way to reverse engineer the weapon that was used as well as trying to avoid radiation poisoning

(Have you had Your Rads Checked Today ??)

the Germans are trying to sow as much confusion as possible, retrieve/steal whatever intelligence/treasures as possible ( ? maybe arcane artifacts hidden away in the ruins of the British Museum ??)

the Soviets supporting the British/Americans in the restoration of London, but also to get their hands on whatever intelligence that they feel that the British/Americans are not sharing.

basically I see a very interesting 3-way mexican stand-off occurring, everyone will want to counter whatever moves the others may take in-case they miss out on retrieving something that may give the "EDGE" to that faction........

SS/Gestapo vs KNVD vs OSS/SOE vs CIA vs MI5/MI6 vs any other interested parties........let the shadow war and paranoia

;D

[malika]

That is basicly the idea, however its not really a Cold War thing. Personally I thought South America would be more fitting for a Cold War style conflict. This would be that the superpowers (US, USSR and Germany) try to install puppet regimes across the continent and from time to time also sent forces to support.

However it would mostly be the local forces fighting with weapons/training from the superpowers.

But yah that is in the other thread.

[recon63]

by cold war i sorta meant an on-going cat-&-mouse guerrilla style conflict of fient and counter-fient as well as hit-&-run attacks, but I suppose that would also by more of the style of conflict for the South American Front........

Still the thought of a guerrilla style barney in the ruins of London trying to gain/retreive/protect/destroy various nasty little secret dossier files and project summaries as well as the Files of all the OSS/SOE agents currently in operations across all the different theatres of the war could be an interesting way of certain sub-groups being able to control national interests for certain periods of time or direct resources into certain areas..........

i'll need to think a little more about the possibilities for me post next time

[malika]

The South American conflict could be like that, but also similar to how the conventional wars are fought in Europe. Its just that the governments of these countries would be puppet governments of the superpowers.

I think the London campaign could also be a perfect opportunity for different scales. I mean you would have the main game with normal battles (20 to 50 models on each side) while this would be more skirmished sized, so around 1 to 15 models at most.

[recon63]

more of commando raid style squads, opposed to platoon and company level attacks on strategical objectives you mean ?

[malika]

yes!

[recon63]

Lovely........

<......Ulfenjarl 13 reporting, have successfully infiltrated London underground system and have aquired a safe haven.............Awaiting further orders.............Hiel Hitler !.......>

[xeoran]

I wouldnt think so. Hitler liked the British (considering them to be Aryans). He'd rather bomb somewhere like Russia where nobody cares (aside from Russians). Moscow would be a perfect example.
I agree there should be a Blitz, probably with rockets (which did happen).
The other possiblity is Hitler had a nuke detonated in the face of Alleid invasion of Europe. Somewhere like Paris.

[malika]

Hitler liked his fellow Aryans but still he bombed London and various cities in Holland (which he considered a fellow Aryan country sort of). The Nazis want to take in Britian and to do that they have to weaken it and make sure its incapable of waging a war on other fronts. They do this by taking out the "head"...London. In real history the Germans did bomb London, we are just pushing it a level up ;D

[tordenskjold]

This is IMO a great idea, I remember a danish roleplaying game which had an alternative world war, where London had been bombed to pieces, with the british army reduced to a few, brave veterans, who daily fought to keep Nazi paratroopers and planes in check, and in one of the last intact bunkers Churchill would personally commanded the defence to the last man.

I imagine something like that when I think of a alternative war London

[xeoran]

Hmm...I'm not sure Hitler would like to bomb London when he could be bombing USSR. An invasion was (at the time) impossible due to the strength of the British Navy and Airforce. If he landed gas was ready for use as were the Home Guard. I find it unlikely an Invasion of Britain would get far. Rather i see the Allies as still holding onto Normandy. Compared to Russai too invading Britain is a fly. Russia was always the real problem hence the idea of bombing Moscow.
Atom bombing is a big step up from conventional warfare.

[tordenskjold]

If we stick to the idea of nazi nuclear bombs I think the invasion of Britain could get quite far. If the british navy was somehow centred (maybe on parade) it would probarly take just a single bomb or two to smash it completly.