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Apr 15, 2006 13:02:43 GMT -5
Post by xeoran on Apr 15, 2006 13:02:43 GMT -5
No wthats an idea i love, a giant Japanese version of the Maginot line to hold back th barbarous Red hordes of Russia....oh yes! Make it very Verdun-esque and its a beaut of an idea!
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Apr 15, 2006 17:32:25 GMT -5
Post by malika on Apr 15, 2006 17:32:25 GMT -5
That could be a part of it. I think it would be Japanese and Chinese loyal to Japan who would work there mostly. Japan set to create a large Asian empire and remove the European presence from the area, perhaps they received more solidarity than expected?
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Apr 16, 2006 10:50:19 GMT -5
Post by xeoran on Apr 16, 2006 10:50:19 GMT -5
Perhaps....but not after SHnaghai...or Nanking, our Japanese friends didnt really care much for the Chinese (or for anyone). Chinese and Korean slave labour could well man the wall with various Japanese Penal units and Punishment troops. I can assure you know the Chinese still dont like the Japanese....
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Apr 16, 2006 11:37:02 GMT -5
Post by malika on Apr 16, 2006 11:37:02 GMT -5
I know they dont like each other, however I dont believe that none of the Chinese defected to the Japanese. We could include large scale Japanese repopulation programs in which large families are encouraged since they have to repopulate their new empire. Slave troops could be ok for the other Asian nations though.
Did you see the movie The Last Emperor, here the Chinese Emperor just signs everything the Japanese offer him since he is totally powerless. Perhaps he would also sign orders in which Chinese troopers loyal to the Emperor are forced to obey their new Japanese masters.
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Apr 20, 2006 12:30:41 GMT -5
Post by xeoran on Apr 20, 2006 12:30:41 GMT -5
Yeah, the new 'Maginot Line'! You can see the propaganda 'Keeping the Red Barbarians of the steppes out of Asia'. Plus it would look very, very cool. You used to be able to drive cavalry and chariots along the wall so perhaps it has its own traintrack with artillery trains and armoured trains. Or tanks can move along it? Theres some cool ideas...
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Apr 20, 2006 13:08:28 GMT -5
Post by malika on Apr 20, 2006 13:08:28 GMT -5
Cavalry unit are interesting, military trains are even more awesome! However if the Russians use aircraft this defense would become practically useless, just look at how easily the Germans took out (or should I say ignored) the Maginot Line.
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Apr 20, 2006 14:00:26 GMT -5
Post by tordenskjold on Apr 20, 2006 14:00:26 GMT -5
Like warzone! I think it was mars that had been made into a planet-spanning trench system, very cool idea!
But trench warfare is mostly won by the side with the largest numer of troops, would the Japanese empire have the amount of troops necessary to fight against the Russians in a war like that?
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Apr 20, 2006 14:07:45 GMT -5
Post by malika on Apr 20, 2006 14:07:45 GMT -5
Probably not, but they might have a more "automated" way of doing such a thing but making the trenches large enough to put tanks in there, what about turrets with heavy machine guns? The Japanese might have Chinese civilians forced to run into the Russian guns in order to let them fire that much that they would run our of ammo, because lets face it...the east of Russia isnt that populated and industrialised, most factories would be located in the west of Russia. The Russians would be forced to let some cities in the east run overtime in order to produce enough supplies while taking over Chinese industry in China.
The idea of Russians dropping paratroopers behind the defense might be a cool thing, could be fitting to the Ribbentrop-Molotov Treaty if we are still going to keep that little bit in the game.
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Apr 22, 2006 6:18:28 GMT -5
Post by tordenskjold on Apr 22, 2006 6:18:28 GMT -5
Should we make the Chinese and Russians one faction, like in "dust games"? A communist Sino-Russian alliance would be really cool, and it would make the communists even more of a horde army- how many soldiers would that union have at their disposal? 20 million? 30?
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Apr 22, 2006 8:35:21 GMT -5
Post by xeoran on Apr 22, 2006 8:35:21 GMT -5
The Sino-Soviet army is a goodie (just think to the Korean war...). Watch Tae Guk Gi to really understand mass trench warfare.... Yeah, like Warzone- but rather than all trenches the Japanese use Korean/Chinsee/POW slave labour to build a huge set of fortifications (tahk turrets on a bunker work), pillboxes and all kinds. Trench warfare is won not by numbers (well depends on the numbers involved!) but by squad tactics, special weapons, stealth, artillery and airplanes.
As for vulnerable armoured trains- well stick AA platforms on it then- it was done and does work- also it might be like a train aircraft carrier with a 'Flight Car' where they launch interceptors and spotter planes.....
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Apr 22, 2006 14:58:43 GMT -5
Post by tordenskjold on Apr 22, 2006 14:58:43 GMT -5
Try reading "All Quiet on the Western Front" for a second opinion. Seriously, in 1945 there were no weapons advanced enough to make up for large numbers of soldiers (with the exception of the nuke). If tactics and weapon technology had been the deciding factor in world war 2 the red army would never have stood a chance against the Germans.
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Apr 23, 2006 8:03:18 GMT -5
Post by xeoran on Apr 23, 2006 8:03:18 GMT -5
Try looking at the Ludendorff offensive for another opinion! The only significant trench break outs involved tanks (British at Cambrai) or special trained sqauds (Ludendorff campaign).
As for your second point my view is that the Russian army gets nuked, everyone is so scared of the technology its banned/held asa threat (similar to cold war). But to continue from your point a huge maginot line could hold off enemies, particually when the Japanese use defense in depth (pillboxes, a German tactic from WW2), level the ground, use air strikes and have lots of troops. It would be incredibly difficult but it might be done....
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