Norway: potential battlefield

[malika]

Ive been watching this documentary on tv yesterday about the German presence in Norway during WWII. The most interesting thing mentioned was the concept of heavy water. Heavy water can be used for the production of nuclear weapons, as in the hydrogenbomb. Now the Germans transported an amount of this heavy water which was produced in Norway to Germany in an attempt to make nuclear bombs.

The allies eventually found out about this and attacked Norway, now the idea of including this into the game has potential. Norway would have been occupied by the Germans and the heavy industry is set up there. So we could have Norway produce the fuel for Germany's nuclear ambitions, but also have it have naval factories to build Germany's warfleets.

[tordenskjold]

Interesting, I like the idea of a small, horribly outnumbered team of allied soldiers infiltrating a wast factory complex in the middle of nowhere, and with -20 degrees Celsius outside. Also, I would love the Germans to have nuclear weapons, but would that not make them overpowered? Nuclear weapons could blow away any major city in Europe, and smaller bombs could blow an invasion army into nothing, making the German empire nearly unbeatable.

[malika]

If you look through the Bombardement of London thread you will see that the idea of nuclear bombardement of a major European city is being mentioned. However a nuclear bomb isnt made at once and heck even the first nuclear weapons wouldnt be perfect. These weapons would be "proto-atomic" weapons which are nuclear but clearly inferior to the atomic bombs used by the Americans to whipe out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So the Germans are experimenting with the potential of nuclear weaponry and are learning its dangers. They also know that once you use a nuclear weapon on an area you can no longer use that area, so wildy shooting these weapons would not be done since they need Lebensraum.

The idea was basicly of having allied units, or just allied heroes infiltrate Norway while receiving support from the local militas. However we could later on expand on this idea. Like creating a second Normandy Front in Norway could be very cool, the idea that the Allies are not getting that far through France because the Germans build their defences so well forces the Americans to attack more northly and since these facilities are located in Norway they would be getting two objectives at once. Do note though that this would be a plan for further in the timeline.

To go deeper into that...perhaps each "edition" or "upgrade" to the game could mean a potential move in the timeline and/or covering some new fronts.

[xeoran]

Sounds more of a secret war with German occupiers against allied resistance and Norwegian resistance. SOE and the Commandos of Britain would be perfect as would Free Norwegian soldiers. An interesting area to fight in! Maybe the Russians invade?!

[malika]

The Russians dont have a foothold in that area, they are still fighting against the Finnish and the Germans in Eastern Europe. The idea of having Russian spies operating in the US or Germany to steal the nuclear secrets might be cool, but that is a different topic.

[xeoran]

But you can see a Russian invasion to open up a new (Scanadanavian) front and strike Finland from two sides.

Lots of Russian spies i think, they are very good at it!

[malika]

How will they get in Norway though? Travel around Finland? I doubt the Finnish and the Germans would tolerate such a move.

Russian agents and stuff like that yes, but their war efforts in Skandinavia would be more focussed on taking out Finnland.

[xeoran]

No but not all of Finland might be under Axis control. Alternatively an amphibious invasion supplied by Allies or newly rebuilt Russian fleet. Or just a guerilla war between Soviet with Communist sympathisers and the Axis/Quislings.

[malika]

I think the allies would eventually try to launch a beach assault on Norway while the Russians would hit Finnland.

[tordenskjold]

In english high command there was some talk about an invasion of Jutland (the largest island of Denmark) to start a skandinavian front. The Germans considred it a threat, and made a lot of bunkers at the beaches.

[malika]

A cool long term landing battle, very interesting if we also would give the Allies a hard time in France. You would have a constant battlefield in that area. Through the South however things might be more positive, I would assume that the Americans and British might be able to take in Marocco and/or Spain and try to move into Europe from there (being that the North African is still stuck)

[kousa]

i don't think the invasion of norway made by russians would be possible:



the red line shows where the russian army should have to move in order to get to norway, and the blue stripes show the area where the germans were at finland during those times (there were over 200 000 well equipped german troops there IRL).
so id the russians would try to get to norway from there, I'm pretty sure germans would fight hard at the sea and shore to stop it.

but the idea of nuclear bombs is kinda "unfair".
some sides would have so much power and the others would be too afraid of to attack/anything.
maybe if the allies would have too nukes, so they'd be afraid to use them because of a counter nuclear attack.

but I'd prefer to keep this game and background nuke-free ;D

[malika]

The nuke isnt as powerful as the nuke used against Japan in real history. Its still a testing model, sure its more powerful than a normal bomb, but its still not as destructive as a standard nuclear weapon. We could also keep this in the background that the Germans are still doing research about nuclear technology.

[xeoran]

No, i agree with Kousa...nukes are too powerful- used against massed Russian formations, German Panzer regiments or Allied columns they would slaughter so much you could hold back huge counter attacks. I'd have a non nuke pact based on MAD (mutually assure destruction).

The Jutland front would be cool, very cool, and another landing at Narvik (the French wanted to do this in force but were beaten too quickly) would be a good idea.

[malika]

Well look how current forces use nuclear products in their bombs and ammo, perhaps we could have something similar to that. It would make the Norwegian front have more impact for the Germans.

Also take a look at what I posted before in this thread:

They also know that once you use a nuclear weapon on an area you can no longer use that area, so wildy shooting these weapons would not be done since they need Lebensraum.