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Post by malika on May 3, 2006 6:13:16 GMT -5
Blowing up London wouldnt just be to kill those certain figures, heck I think the Germans knew about those bunkers when the Luftwaffe bombed London. Its mostly a psychological blow that the head of probably the biggest empire got blown up. The idea wasnt that London was totally destroyed, there still has to be hope so that Mordheim styled games could be played. So you would have a big ruined city where various factions can only send small groups to perform missions. The Germans have agents sent there to retreive various things. The British would try to restore London with American support. The Russians might pretend to be there to help but they would still rather want to find powerful items and intelligence. But this should be discussed in the bombing of london thread.
About the scorched earth machine, perhaps it would be more useful for the Japanese to deploy these machines in China, I could even see the Germans deploy this monster in North Africa to take out the only fertile areas the British could use for food supplies. Perhaps trying to totally destroy the Israeli/Palestine area in order to prevent some Jewish identity to rise up or something.
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Post by tordenskjold on May 3, 2006 8:59:28 GMT -5
Yes, but they used conventional methods, like the mines mentioned by xeoran, that could be removed if the Germans won back the lost ground. Radiation would make it totally uninhabitable for the next 100-1000 years.
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Post by kousa on May 3, 2006 9:34:05 GMT -5
what about flamethrower squads/troops? they would make more precise destruction and into smaller places such as barns and buildings like that. then there would be no need for large scale napalm bombing etc. ;D
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Post by malika on May 3, 2006 9:55:39 GMT -5
Yes, but they used conventional methods, like the mines mentioned by xeoran, that could be removed if the Germans won back the lost ground. Radiation would make it totally uninhabitable for the next 100-1000 years. How pulp could that be! ;D Landmines remain a problem, look at former warzones in Third World countries today, eventhough its easy to say "we'll clear up the mines after we've regained it" it doesnt really seem to work since its still a problem if you look for example former Asian or African warzones. The idea of the scorched earth policy isnt to move back there, its to make the land so inhabitable that it would be useless for anybody to use. I think both would exist, just like in the real WWII.
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Post by xeoran on May 3, 2006 11:10:00 GMT -5
First Malika Jews only really had power or numbers in Israel after WW2, the British gave it to them to avoid another Holocaust. Second the Germans need the Middle East too for their oil and Rommel would need the green areas too, otherwise his own soldiers cant go anywhere!
Mines could be found if the Germans a)make proper maps and b) put detectors in them so they know where they are, just a radio signal or something,a fter all while it might not cause damage because the enemy knows where the mines are but he cant go overe the ground there anyway and it takes mine removal squads too long.
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Post by malika on May 3, 2006 11:19:03 GMT -5
But Israel (at least that area) was still considered to be the Jewish homeland, hence they would simply scorch this area and keep the surrounding areas, Im not suggesting that the Germans would radiate the entire Middle East.
The Russians would probably use penal units to run through the minefields, sacrificing their lives by force. Hence mining the area wouldnt be that usefull since the Russians would take care of that eventually.
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Post by xeoran on May 3, 2006 11:33:40 GMT -5
True but they could make the Anti Tank mines that only blow up if theres a large weight, Russians cant afford to lose tanks like they can Penal Units and Penal Units would be too light to do it and byt getting enough in one place to set them off you'd kills so many that you wouldnt have many Penal Troopers left after a single campaign.
Israel is the Jewish homeland but Hitler doesnt burn other places where Jews live, he'd probably re-consecrate it, or, even nastier send all the Jew there with the promise of their homeland returned, then kill them all in one big concentration camp. Plus where does Judea stop, Alexandria in Egypt was very, very Jewish and nearby but was also (like Jerusalem) a vital campaign location.
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Post by malika on May 3, 2006 12:43:37 GMT -5
Russia had enough tanks...they won by sheer numbers, I would also assume that the Russians would create machines which would take care of the mines as well. If we are going to have a scorched earth tactic in the game I think we should do it hardcore and not with just mines...its just too...simple and nice Hitler would off course kill them all, the Nazi racial ideology is not what Im discussing here. I assume they would destroy the homeland of the Jews (current Israel), not every location which has Jewish people since the Jews have moved all across the world. The Germans would only need that area for oil, which they could get with machines and have protected units work there. Food and resources would be dropped by aircraft for example. Mass habitation in a desert isnt something the Germans would really be bothered with, they only need to gather the resources there and transport it to Europe. But these would be long term plans the Germans are making.
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Post by xeoran on May 3, 2006 13:08:27 GMT -5
Russia did have enough tanks but it still a huge bummer because after a while tank crews realise they are deliberately being used as mine bait (particually if the Germans drop leaflets about the radio transmitters) and refuse to do it, tanks are herder for the NKVD to kill than infantry! There might well be some radiation bombs but in cities, i can see it being used in Stalingrad for sure! For Israel they still need the resources and the transport methods which require workers who require housing and amenities etc...Feels to me Hitler wouldnt destroy Israel, certain areas (the Wailing Wall perhaps) but would leave it alone as a country for war reasons.
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Post by malika on May 25, 2006 8:02:45 GMT -5
To stick to the idea of scorched earth...it could also be a great hybrid of German and Japanese technology. You would still have the big four legged walker, but instead of "pooping out" mines or inserting radioactive waste in the earth it would work somewhat like those insecticide sprays, but then against all forms of life. Four "turrets" would be mounted in all directions (forward, backward, left and right) which would spray a deadly toxin all around it, poisoning the lands, killing everything which isnt heavily protected. You wanted a nastier feel for the Germans? Well here you go...it wont get any nastier than that ;D
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Post by kousa on May 25, 2006 8:32:12 GMT -5
maybe some kind of spray of something like insect spray, destroys the ground, but doesn't harm people when they come there, makes it re-concuerable also, i had a vision reading malika's awesome post...have to draw it ;D
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Post by malika on May 25, 2006 8:33:48 GMT -5
There could of course be variations on this weapon. But if you destroy the ground (as in making it totally infertile) you could only use it for industrial areas, no living space or agriculture.
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Post by xeoran on May 25, 2006 8:35:45 GMT -5
Or could you use low nucleur devices which will gradually go away in 5 years or so? But the insectides are ver, very cool...mmm!
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Post by malika on May 25, 2006 8:38:22 GMT -5
The thing would work like an insecticide, it might be another chemical...nerve gas or xyklon for example. The nuclear shell is another weapon used by this machine. (or say another variation of this machine) So its the same chassis, only armed with different types of weapons and ammo. Similar to how the Space Marine Rhino Chassis is sort of a "basis chassis"
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Post by xeoran on May 25, 2006 8:46:45 GMT -5
Nervae gas variants would work well in game as might ones with "point defense mode" and motion trackers coupled to machine guns. Very evil. I can see them s two layered, feet and bottom then top with guns/insectides that revolves round and round...mmm!
Kousa, nice Avatar!
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