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Post by xeoran on May 25, 2006 10:25:43 GMT -5
For discussion of German factions, ie the Prussian traditionals, the Aryan "purebloods" and the like...
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Post by malika on May 25, 2006 16:46:18 GMT -5
Darkson mentioned the "standard" chemical/genetically upgraded Germans, these would be the soldiers mostly. Another faction were the ones who believed to be pure already. Then there was also the occult faction.
The "pureblood" as in the more "vampiric" ground should be something amongst the German elites who feel connected to this idea which was brought over by Romenian pro Axis refugees. They believe they can reach immortality through blood, hence they change their blood all the time and even take this to the level of drinking blood, however the blooddrinking would be more of a cultural aspect instead of a scientifically working thing. Xeoran mentioned metal teeth and stuff like that. Sounds fitting!
The Occult Faction would be under control of Himmler who wants to recreate the Teutonian (sp?) Knights, he and a small group of the SS would search throughout the world of occult items which would grand them more power.
The chemical/genetic group would be a more common group, they would probably be the largest I think. Scientists have found chemicals which could make men many times stronger, or fight on for days without sleeping. These soldiers are clearly superior to any normal human soldier. Hence this group believes this to be their way of "racial superiority".
The other group would be the "purists", they believe that they are the german masterrace and need to sort of alteration since they are already perfect. I dont know if they are Prussian, but that might be fitting. These figures would mostly be high ranking generals from the First War (WWI, but the First War just sounds so much cooler for the Germans) and aristocratic/imperial figures who sided with the National Socialists after the emperor fled to Holland.
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Post by xeoran on May 25, 2006 17:00:31 GMT -5
Another possible faction are the "Prussians", the militaristic, nationalistic, upstanding and straightbacked Germans fighting for their countries survival but disgusted by the extremes of certain other factions. They do have much in common though, often aristocratic and closely related they therefore appeal to the Ultra Aryans and as soldiers they are not beyond using chemicals and rugs to fight better in defense of the Fatherland. Similarly some of their number come from long families which can trace themselves back to the Teutonic Knights and thus have great interest in Himmlers plans. The most professional and disciplined they eschew occultism or bloodlines for good hard fighting men.
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Post by malika on May 25, 2006 17:04:13 GMT -5
Ah sounds cool, and fitting for the old German aristocracy, they would be very much like the purists I assume. While these purists believe themselves to be superior already that doesnt mean that they dispise the other factions. We should realise that, while there are various factions they would still try to work together to create their Third Reich.
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Post by xeoran on May 25, 2006 17:09:33 GMT -5
Exactly and I see there being lots of connections as well as feuds and partnerships.
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Post by skorzeny on Jun 11, 2006 8:31:00 GMT -5
Actually, the Nazis persecuted the Teutonic knights. Because of their Christian affiliations, the Teutonic knights were an organisation no member of the SS was allowed to belong to.
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Post by xeoran on Jun 11, 2006 9:42:24 GMT -5
Did the Teutonic Knights still exist then? I know they are a charity organisation now but I didnt think they were there in '39. Aside from that neo-Tutonics is probably better- Himmler modelled the SS in parts on them and Goebbels made several films with them. Plus they look cool.
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Post by skorzeny on Jun 11, 2006 17:10:21 GMT -5
Like a lot of things, Goebbles freely exploited anything he thought would tie the Reich into the glories of Germany's past, even when he himself despised and condemned the very things he was using. Hence, while exploiting the image of the Teutonic knights in Nazi cermonies, the knights themselves were being persecuted (though not so ruthlessly as, say Catholics).
The Teutonic Knights did exist in the era under discussion. The knighthood had, however, devolved into more of a fraternal order, rather like modern Templars and Free Masons (another group the Nazis had no use for and which they censured). I'll have to double check, but I think membership may have been restricted to the aristocracy, which would have further increased Hitler's dislike of them - he had no use for the nobility.
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Post by xeoran on Jun 12, 2006 2:39:23 GMT -5
OK, then I can see him disbanding/purging those to start a new type of knight. Or alternatively ex-Teutonic Knights would be present in the Prussian Junkers faction.
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Post by skorzeny on Jun 12, 2006 3:25:59 GMT -5
Oh, most definately. The Wehrmacht was something of a refuge and rallying point for the old aristocratic class.
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