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Post by dboeren on May 26, 2009 15:21:48 GMT -5
we will be showing off the Con Only miniature that we will have at Gen Con and details on how you can get it sooner So, it's a Con Only miniature ... that you can get before the Con? That certainly is Weird! Here's hoping that something gets shown for the Soviets tomorrow, they seem to be a bit behind in the previews.
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Post by Cilionelle on May 27, 2009 20:17:09 GMT -5
Will the (regular) Soviets be getting any love in the new book? I can't seem to find anything for them... only for the ROA.
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Post by Darkson on May 27, 2009 20:59:28 GMT -5
Yes the Soviet PSI Faction will be getting some love as well as the SD and Sci-Tech Factions.
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Post by fattdex on May 28, 2009 1:43:27 GMT -5
Here's some interesting feedback for this weeks WWW- that demon SS picture, in addition to the SS cavalry picture, has turned a few people, who are planning to play, off the game a little bit as it's a bit too whacky looking. These are people who would prefer to get into the game using historical units and not any of the 'fantasy stuff'.
Maybe that's something to think about when you clean up your web design, pitching the weird war element as only one side of the game.
(oh and I personally think that the demon bloke looks like he just walked out of the Blue Oyster Bar, but I love the One Man Army's paintjob!!!!)
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Post by turtle on May 28, 2009 3:59:26 GMT -5
On the other hand, it's these types of units that could draw an even bigger market than the ones who are turned off by a few units.
There are plenty of historical games out there, plenty of historical miniatures too, and plenty of competing rules. AE-WWII was never billed as a historical in any fashion beyond a general respect for the history. Demonic and ghost units really aren't any different than giant cybernetic gorillas, or emaciated, or robotic troopers for that matter.
What's more, these designs are actually pretty tame, they retain a lot of human elements, even the demonic trooper has that nice touch of the tattered remnants of his uniform attached.
What these new, flashier units will do, however, is attract a new group of gamers that are attracted to the flashy units, much in the same way that all the bright and flash stuff from 40k, Warmachine, Infinity, Secrets of the Third Reich/Incursion attract players. I got into AE-WWII based on the design of the buffalo power armor in how it was wholly a fantastical thing, but the design still fit with the aesthetic of the time.
And of course, some will think it's pandering, but really it's broadening the market along lines that they already set from the beginning. Historical gamers will get along fine, and the rules for the core units will always be there. In fact, they'll probably get quite a boost once the Europe book comes out.
Back to the update. Is One Man Army a Hero type? I think I remember reading it, my mind fails me and the rulebook is trapped in my car.
I'll have to see how they handle the demon troops in the sculpt, I prefer the look of the mounted wight-like thing.
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Post by fattdex on May 28, 2009 4:45:37 GMT -5
That's right, however i was not really giving my opinion on the matter of weird war units (except that the art for demon boy looks like more of a flamer than the feuersoldat), merely reporting what a few people who are on the edge of buying into the game have told me. If anyone buys into the rulebook, it's a good thing for D.D, which means that if they do a bit more to cater for historical players (even if it's a bit of a 'You can also...' section in the website showing the game played with only human models) or people who don't dig the scifi aspect, it's still a solid game system and they can still sell product to those folks.
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Post by cybogoblin on May 28, 2009 7:17:04 GMT -5
Personally, I think getting all these 'exotic' previews is a good thing. The upcoming book is called the Occult Expansion for a reason Maybe things will be a little more traditional in some of the upcoming books, like when we get the British Army.
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Post by mkcontra on May 28, 2009 7:35:56 GMT -5
Back to the update. Is One Man Army a Hero type? I think I remember reading it, my mind fails me and the rulebook is trapped in my car.[//quote] 1-man army is an occult-book hero type. Basically, your guy turns into Audie Murphy, grabs an MG and goes to town.
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Post by Darkson on May 28, 2009 7:40:04 GMT -5
One of the reasons you are seeing a lot of Weird concepts is for the Historical elements we used Real Historical photos and that just does not seem like something to post when you guys want "Concept art". With that said all I can ask is take a look at the book when it is released before making any final decisions. You need to trust that we have put the same amount of care in blending the Historical and the Altered Events in this new book. (I think Eldar look like they should be doing the YMCA running around in the long Skirts that they have on) But that's just me.
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Post by mkcontra on May 28, 2009 7:56:04 GMT -5
With that said all I can ask is take a look at the book when it is released before making any final decisions. You need to trust that we have put the same amount of care in blending the Historical and the Altered Events in this new book.
And when will that be?? ;D
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Post by fattdex on May 28, 2009 8:22:48 GMT -5
Hey, i love the occult stuff too- people have different tastes though. just thought you'd like to see what people are thinking other than the usual.
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Post by dboeren on May 28, 2009 9:51:52 GMT -5
If it weren't for the weird stuff, I would never have bothered looking at the game, pure historical would have seemed uninteresting to me.
Now, I do sort of agree that the demon trooper is a turnoff. Not because he's offensive, but I just think he looks sort of dorky. All the other stuff is awesome. Krieghexen, Draugr, Hellhounds, and the mounted knight guys all look super-cool and tempt me towards Germans. The Hoodoo, Wendigo, and Skinwalker are cool too. They make me interested in an American army which is quite a feat because normally I don't like them.
I'm less into the Spawn of the Apocalypse and what's been shown for the ROA. So far their models look like cultists, not soldiers, and the Apocalypse models just aren't my style visually. The normal Soviets need to get something shown too, they're WAY behind. I think all they've seen in the preview thread is models from the first book (Psi Commandos, Psi Cannon) and nothing yet from the second.
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Post by mkcontra on May 28, 2009 9:59:56 GMT -5
I'm less into the Spawn of the Apocalypse and what's been shown for the ROA. So far their models look like cultists, not soldiers, and the Apocalypse models just aren't my style visually. The normal Soviets need to get something shown too, they're WAY behind. I think all they've seen in the preview thread is models from the first book (Psi Commandos, Psi Cannon) and nothing yet from the second. That's because they are cultists.
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Post by dboeren on May 28, 2009 10:28:49 GMT -5
Well, yes, you're right about that. What I'm saying is that I prefer them to look like soldiers too. Say like the Krieghexen. He's obviously a sorcerer. But he's also obviously a German soldier with his uniform.
It would be possible to make cultists that also look like Soviet soldiers too, can't be that much harder than making monkeys that are clearly Soviet soldiers to a casual glance.
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Post by abbysdad on May 28, 2009 10:32:38 GMT -5
If it weren't for the weird stuff, I would never have bothered looking at the game, pure historical would have seemed uninteresting to me. Now, I do sort of agree that the demon trooper is a turnoff. Not because he's offensive, but I just think he looks sort of dorky. All the other stuff is awesome. Krieghexen, Draugr, Hellhounds, and the mounted knight guys all look super-cool and tempt me towards Germans. The Hoodoo, Wendigo, and Skinwalker are cool too. They make me interested in an American army which is quite a feat because normally I don't like them. I'm less into the Spawn of the Apocalypse and what's been shown for the ROA. So far their models look like cultists, not soldiers, and the Apocalypse models just aren't my style visually. The normal Soviets need to get something shown too, they're WAY behind. I think all they've seen in the preview thread is models from the first book (Psi Commandos, Psi Cannon) and nothing yet from the second. I dunno. I like the idea and I think the concept art looks great. In my opinion the smiling demon that looks just a little off from a normal soldier is much more disturbing than an obviously demonic creature. Especially if you're marching beside him! Plus, Darkson has said you are free to use another fig to represent him, so if you like the rules, what's the issue? Ditto for the ROA cultists. Paint up some NKVD regulars and add some green stuff cult paraphenalia and you've got ROA! It's the contrasts that make a game fun to play. The russians would attack tanks in waves of peasants armed with pitch forks. That kind of dichotomy happened in different theaters of WWII. So having a more organic army (ROA) versus the more traditional forces is both a historical and cool concept. Plus, sometimes I might get bored with just guns and want more beasties. I like the weird stuff in AE. But I like that AE can play historically too. There are few game engines out there that can handle both well. And just using the more realistic units in a detachment works great. I think we're all waiting for the release of the new book. I'm curious to see if we'll get any details on the other kinds of tanks that are available for the non-US factions. What's the NKVD answer to the tumbleweed? Will the SD get small Foo-fighters like in Captain America: Operation Zero Point? If Darkson and others would just stop being so selfish by serving their country we'd probably have the new book already! Best Regards, Chris
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