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Post by Scorpio on Feb 25, 2010 9:00:20 GMT -5
Right, I was thinking of using it for the American version.
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Post by CmdrKiley on Feb 26, 2010 11:19:47 GMT -5
Besides according to OtW12, Rocket Hero is for ARPA units only. Currently that means only the Technician can be come a Rocket Hero right?
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Post by abbysdad on Feb 26, 2010 15:40:37 GMT -5
Besides according to OtW12, Rocket Hero is for ARPA units only. Currently that means only the Technician can be come a Rocket Hero right? Not sure about that. The Rocket Hero is an American Hero, so US Army, OSS and ARPA should have access to it.
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Post by mkcontra on Feb 26, 2010 16:45:41 GMT -5
Per my understanding, Kiley is correct ("A hero type can only be added to models from the faction that hero type belongs to"). However, that generates some interesting issues: for example, you can only ever have a Psi-Officer latent psi or Chuman parent. That seems odd. Same w/ Technician and Rocket Hero (only Mechanic) or Scientist or Lab Rat (only Mad Doktor or SD agent). It feels weird that you can't apply these arguably generic hero types to US Army Sergeants, Starshinas, snipers, etc. Was the intent to limit hero selection to the faction being played (i.e., any hero-able unit, regardless of faction, can be given rocket hero if used in a majority ARPA detachment)?
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Post by abbysdad on Feb 26, 2010 19:31:46 GMT -5
We've discussed this and it seems like a case where the wording got crossways with the intent. It will be amended and posted in the Core Rules section of the board shortly.
-Chris
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Post by xGIxJOKERx on Feb 26, 2010 19:54:43 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the main thing that was meant in that OTW was to keep SS individuals from taking stuff like Lab Rat and Scientist.
I love the idea of a Padre rockin' a Vickers, raining righteous fury all over abominations.
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Post by Doctor Warlock on Jun 16, 2010 7:55:03 GMT -5
Slight "Threadomancy" here LoL! JUST to be Historically accurate British Chaplains were allowed to carry a pistol for their own protection and of those under their care (just as a medic would) although I have rarely heard of them taking this option. And if anyones actually interested in the Sort of Kit a British Chaplain actually carried . . . . . . . .
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Post by skorzeny on Jun 16, 2010 12:34:31 GMT -5
Interesting find. In doing my research, I found two sources that said the chaplains underwent standard military training but were unarmed, unlike their German counterparts. Where did you uncover that they were issued a pistol? Methinks that might warrant a revision to the rules.
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Post by Doctor Warlock on Jun 16, 2010 17:44:46 GMT -5
Interesting find. In doing my research, I found two sources that said the chaplains underwent standard military training but were unarmed, unlike their German counterparts. Where did you uncover that they were issued a pistol? Methinks that might warrant a revision to the rules. The Chaplain in my Uncles Division (48th - South Midlands Division) wore his service pistol, though Bob swears he never saw him use it or even load it. I have seen pictures of him on parade, and the Chaplain was present sidearm and all. I'll ask my Dad what became of his photo's. Whereas my Dads Chaplain didn't! I've seen several pictures of my Dads Chaplain, and no Sidearm! It's discussed here in this thread - www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=26585 of the WWII Reenactment Forum (which is where I found that wonderful picture of the Chaplain and his Kit - I collect interesting images, expecially historical ones) they obviously want their Uniforms to be accurate, and a couple of folks on their confirm that Chaplains indeed could bear Arms - perhaps contacting them could provide more clarification. As it points out in that thread all "in the field" Chaplains held the honorific Rank of Captain (to Colonel) - so technically they would issued with a side-arm whether they chose to carry it or not. I do know that its only in recent years that British Military Regulations have required chaplains to be unarmed and as far as I am aware that decision was made after WWII. In "Quartered Safe Out Here" by George MacDonald Fraser - Fraser mentions his battalion padre carrying a revolver (if thats any help) www.amazon.com/Quartered-Safe-Out-Here-Harrowing/dp/1602391904/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276728816&sr=8-1If a "Hero" Chaplain can bear Arms then I think the rules are fine "as is" - as they already represent the bearing of arms being optional for each individual Chaplain (sort of LoL)
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Post by skorzeny on Jun 16, 2010 22:51:09 GMT -5
Those are excellent sources, thanks. Yes, indeed, a hero chaplain can bear arms, though he's still subject to pacifism so he might not get much opportunity to use them.
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Post by Doctor Warlock on Jun 17, 2010 2:38:35 GMT -5
Those are excellent sources, thanks. Yes, indeed, a hero chaplain can bear arms, though he's still subject to pacifism so he might not get much opportunity to use them. I'm glad you found them interesting, your Avatar - Peter Cushing from the Film Shockwaves (1977) right?
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Post by skorzeny on Jun 17, 2010 3:23:54 GMT -5
Absolutely! One of my favorite actors in a pretty good horror flick with WWII connections.
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Post by Doctor Warlock on Jun 17, 2010 6:45:57 GMT -5
Absolutely! One of my favorite actors in a pretty good horror flick with WWII connections. One of my personal Heroes too!
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Post by evernevermore(john) on Jun 17, 2010 7:50:14 GMT -5
Those are excellent sources, thanks. Yes, indeed, a hero chaplain can bear arms, though he's still subject to pacifism so he might not get much opportunity to use them. He might not use it much but should he succeed in shooting a demon possessed German or a ROA beastie in the face it will be very entertaining
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Post by CmdrKiley on Jun 17, 2010 9:26:09 GMT -5
Those are excellent sources, thanks. Yes, indeed, a hero chaplain can bear arms, though he's still subject to pacifism so he might not get much opportunity to use them. However, this still comes back to what Hero Templates provide fire arms for the British Chaplain. The only ones that come to mind are Rocket Hero (which is a Tesla Pistol, and is not available to British Army units) and One Man Army (which would get him a Bren Gun). Neither of which would get him a pistol, nor seem to represent anything resembling the historical background (although a Chaplain hauling a Bren gun around mowing down Abominations would be cool). I still move to change the British Chaplain to be able to carry a pistol. The Pacifism trait alone will prevent him from going totally John Woo in a game.
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