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Post by darkknight on Sept 1, 2010 19:01:33 GMT -5
When my friend told me that IJA had rules up for his WWII game I jumped at the opportunity. Before I even had the books in hand I put together two detachments. Now that I have had a chance to read the books, comprehend the rules and bounce some combination off of my friend I wanted to turn my list on the internet and ask people who have played a couple of games if the list is competitive or made of lose.
IJA Infantry Detachment
Special Orders: Artillery Support, Stragglers, Banzai and one undecided order. Fix Bayonets? Any suggestions on the last one?
Elite: IJA Officer (Upgraded to Elite and Hero – IRAAP Member)
Vet: Kempeitai
Vet: Giretsu Airborne Commandos w/99 LMG (free from IRAAP)
Reg: IJA Regulars w/99 LMG
Reg: IJA Combat Engineers w/ Anti-tank Rifle
Reg: Rohlingsoldat (probably with the Panzer)
Reg: Standard Bearer (free)
Reg: Standard Bearer (free)
Green: Gunzuko
Green: Gunzuko
Green: Gunzuko
What I tried to do was overcome the weakness of the Japanese guns by taking as many soldiers as I could muster, allowing more standard bearers which in turn make my soldiers able to stay around that extra turn. I think my list is a little light in its ability to deal with tanks and vehicles. My opponent fields a tumbleweed tank and I hear horror stories about it single handedly destroying detachments.
Any input is appreciated, thanks.
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Post by mkcontra on Sept 1, 2010 20:16:36 GMT -5
A whole TON of guys you've got there, I like it. Glad to see you've got detachment construction down--everything looks accurate.
I think with the Panzerschreck and AT-rifle, especially with the revised rules for AT weapons in Basra, you're better off than most detachments when it comes to facing vehicles.
As far as another Special Order, if you're still worried about tanks, take AT-Grenades, Sticky Bombs or something like that. Otherwise, something like Coordinate Assault or Keep Moving would be helpful.
Overall, this list looks quite solid.
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Post by darkknight on Sept 1, 2010 22:19:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips mkcontra, I am really looking forward to giving this list a try soon. I think I will probably take your advice and take coordinated assault. That on a banzai charge or with a few of the weapons in the list could be really nasty.
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Post by kazakcossack on Sept 2, 2010 21:47:00 GMT -5
I'd go with surveyed ground special order. Just my $0.02.
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Post by Scorpio on Sept 16, 2010 14:39:08 GMT -5
Also consider Out of Ammo, for when you need that final run at the guns.
Uh, I think Infantry can take Out of Ammo, actually. Don't have the books in front of me. Keep Moving is another good jobber.
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Post by skorzeny on Sept 17, 2010 12:00:42 GMT -5
Just bear in mind that all those gunzuko won't be damaging much with their rifle fire - so keep them placed where you can use them in a Banzai charge.
When the book comes out and the weird elements get added to the IJA, you'll have some nasty options for dealing with enemy armour.
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Post by rubber on Sept 27, 2010 17:29:35 GMT -5
Arent there one vet and two reg choices too much? Is there something i missed in the IJA list? Or just in general?
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Post by beermonkey on Oct 13, 2010 3:46:38 GMT -5
I have to say this is a scary looking list. The more we play the more we begin to appreciate the power of a good charge, or a well placed grenade. A lot can happen on the board but that list just makes me uneasy.
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Post by mkcontra on Oct 13, 2010 8:39:00 GMT -5
Arent there one vet and two reg choices too much? Is there something i missed in the IJA list? Or just in general? Hi Rubber, Sorry for not answering this sooner. The IJ get a free standard bearer for every 3 infantry choices they have, while the IJA Officer's IRAAP Member hero type gives him a free unit (in this case the commandos). |
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Post by gnomesofzurich on Oct 15, 2010 16:42:16 GMT -5
Arent there one vet and two reg choices too much? Is there something i missed in the IJA list? Or just in general? Hi Rubber, Sorry for not answering this sooner. The IJ get a free standard bearer for every 3 infantry choices they have, while the IJA Officer's IRAAP Member hero type gives him a free unit (in this case the commandos). I don't think the IRAAP hero type gives a free unit. The text as I read it seems to suggest that you get a free special order, and that the hero and a regular or veteran infantry unit of your choice gets upgraded gear (guns with +2" range). Otherwise, a person using the Infantry detachment could: -Sacrifice two green selections to get two additional hero options -Proceed to take three IRAAP heroes, thus giving 3 extra Special Orders and 3 free veteran or regular infantry selections This would give: 1 Elite 4 Veteran 3 Regular 1 Green 5 Special Orders plus Banzai! the possibility of 2 Standard Bearers for free Seems a little over the top. Perhaps one of the Darkson Designs crew can comment. It's a little over the top. Edit: Another question I have - are the combat engineers really intended to get a heavy weapon selection, or was that a copy and paste error from the heavy weapon team just above them? Otherwise, I can't really see why you would take a heavy weapon team; the combat engineers are specialists, not support, and thus there is no restriction on how many you can take, and also have the Demolitions special rule. I suspect they should be equipped the same as the Combat Engineers from OtW: faction appropriate rifle, satchel charges and grenades. Can anyone clarify whether this is the case? |
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Post by mkcontra on Oct 15, 2010 18:29:52 GMT -5
Hi Rubber, Sorry for not answering this sooner. The IJ get a free standard bearer for every 3 infantry choices they have, while the IJA Officer's IRAAP Member hero type gives him a free unit (in this case the commandos). I don't think the IRAAP hero type gives a free unit. The text as I read it seems to suggest that you get a free special order, and that the hero and a regular or veteran infantry unit of your choice gets upgraded gear (guns with +2" range). Otherwise, a person using the Infantry detachment could: -Sacrifice two green selections to get two additional hero options -Proceed to take three IRAAP heroes, thus giving 3 extra Special Orders and 3 free veteran or regular infantry selections This would give: 1 Elite 4 Veteran 3 Regular 1 Green 5 Special Orders plus Banzai! the possibility of 2 Standard Bearers for free Seems a little over the top. Perhaps one of the Darkson Designs crew can comment. It's a little over the top. Edit: Another question I have - are the combat engineers really intended to get a heavy weapon selection, or was that a copy and paste error from the heavy weapon team just above them? Otherwise, I can't really see why you would take a heavy weapon team; the combat engineers are specialists, not support, and thus there is no restriction on how many you can take, and also have the Demolitions special rule. I suspect they should be equipped the same as the Combat Engineers from OtW: faction appropriate rifle, satchel charges and grenades. Can anyone clarify whether this is the case? I had the same interpretation as you, but was corrected by Staff at some point. I'll try to find it. |
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Post by gnomesofzurich on Oct 16, 2010 6:33:42 GMT -5
I had the same interpretation as you, but was corrected by Staff at some point. I'll try to find it. I'll be interested to see that. The other point I'm interested in clarifying is whether these free units count towards earning more Standard Bearers. Assuming they do, using the list outlined above you could: Take your six units (eight, minus the two green selections to purchase two additional heroes) as infantry, earning two standard bearers; Take your three free infantry units from the IRAAP heroes, thus earning a third standard bearer; The three standard bearers are infantry, thus one could argue that they earn a fourth standard bearer. Thus, you end up with: Elite: Infantry IRAAP hero Veteran: Infantry IRAAP hero Veteran: Infantry Squad Veteran: Infantry Squad Veteran: Infantry Squad Regular: Infantry IRAAP hero Regular: Any regular Infantry selection Regular: Any regular Infantry selection Regular: Standard Bearer Regular: Standard Bearer Regular: Standard Bearer Regular: Standard Bearer Green: Gunzoku Green: sacrificed for additional hero selection Green: sacrificed for addtional hero selection Special Orders: Banzai!, 5 others Thus giving 13 units and 6 special orders; it's an extreme example, and not something I would want to face on the battlefield. Even if one made the (reasonable) ruling that free Standard Bearers do not count to earn more Standard Bearers, it still seems like it could dominate the options available to the other factions. Based on the assumption that IRAAP does give a free unit, it is the (rough) equivalent of the same individual taking both the Eccentric Millionaire and Movie Star hero types from the main book. I hope that in the finalized IJA rules this hero type is clarified, and that similar restrictions regarding the number of Special Orders as are on the Eccentric Millionaire be included. |
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Post by abbysdad on Oct 24, 2010 21:14:57 GMT -5
Good post! I had thought the issue with the standard bearers had been addressed in other Q & A. The answer is, no. Standard bearers do not count towards more standard bearers. That's kind of like wishing for more wishes  The IRAAP hero does give you a free unit. The unit cannot be sacrificed for a different slot. The special order selection from the hero cannot be sacrificed for a different slot. We are very interested in your feedback on the IJA list. The japanese play very differently from the other factions. They have reduced weapon strengths too. Try a few games and let us know what you think. Cheers, Chris |
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Post by fattdex on Oct 24, 2010 21:37:08 GMT -5
That's kind of like wishing for more wishes I lol'd heartily |
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