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Post by malika on Jul 4, 2006 10:33:02 GMT -5
I thought this subject deserves its own thread since its...well kind of ruining the russian bomb dog thread  So this will be the place to post ideas and stuff like that for Stalingrad, the city which seems to be in constant warfare between the Russians and the Germans. Since this is a pulp game I thought it would be cool to already have fancy metros in Stalingrad, similar to the ones in Moscow, you know which metrostations are practically beautiful museums filled with cool statues of Lenin, Stalin and other big Soviet figures. Inside these metrotunnels battles would be fought between German troops and the Russian forces/locals. Imagine a fast battle between two metros, one filled with Germans and the other one with Russians. Might be a cool scenario ;D The Germans would mostly use airsupplies in the form of zeppelins, would be cool to have missions for the Russians in which they have to blow up such a gigantic thing filled with German supplies and troops. The Russians would use mole/drill machines as a mean of transport which would mean the Germans might have missions in which they have to dig in mines underground, forcing the vehicle to rise up to the surface after which they shoot it into pieces. Both sides would just keep on sending troops since Stalingrad would be the most critical front between these two forces, if the Russian win they would push forward towards Germany, if the Germans win it would result in them moving towards Moscow and basicly conquering that city...defeating the USSR!  Are the Soviet gorillas going to be included in the game? I thought it would be cool to have several (or just one) of those monster roaming across the city, climbing on the buildings, jumping from rooftop to rooftop, ripping German troops and light armour into pieces ;D Oh yeah...post more ideas! |
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Post by tordenskjold on Jul 4, 2006 13:22:48 GMT -5
Malika, you really should be made a moderator. Stalingrad as testing ground for new Russian and German experiential weapons and creatures would be cool, it could be there Stalin tested his apemen, Hitler his new drug-powered soldiers, and all kind of projects and weapons is being invented and discarded as they prove incapable of winning the battle, resulting in squads being armed with a mix of strange weapons, some only prototypes, and being supported by mutants, living experiments created when the two powers began to run short on regular manpower, and insanely large tanks, intended to be able to run directly through enemy bunkers and armored positions. A few ideas: - When Russia goes to war, everyone fights. All kinds of people are conscripted to fill the need of manpower. The most recent idea is the conscription of people of under average height, some small enough to be considered dwarfs, and forming them into squads responsible for duties in which small size is an advantage. Perfect for sniper duty in the many ruins of the city. (think WW2 halflings ;D) - When the Russians began using tunnels to get their reinforcements into the city, the Germans immediately followed. The battles rage in the dark, damp sewers and metros of the city. Recently, the Russians seem to have begun work on a new type of soldier, well fit for the underground conditions. German soldiers report hunch backed, furred Russians, with a sense of smell so keen that they can sniff out hidden troops, and seemingly with the ability to see in the dark. |
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Post by malika on Jul 4, 2006 14:01:57 GMT -5
Hmm Russians also working with mutants? Intruiging! I would probably break my own rules too much which would force me to restrict myself  I think every warzone is a potential testingground for new weapons, I dont think that Stalingrad specifically should have this function, however the testing of new techniques etc there would be very interesting! I remember reading this old article for English classes when I was still in high school, it was about women in the military and how they would make great tank crews due to their smaller size. I would assume the Russians would have thought of this too. Perhaps also include voluntary child soldiers on the Russian side (these would be kids from Stalingrad who have taken up arms against the Germans), Im not sure if the USSR forced their children to fight, I would assume they forced their children to education (and indoctrination though). I would keep the Hitler Jugend out of this conflict, the Germans are not that stupid (or at least desperate yet) to deploy children on their main warzones, however they might receive some sort of training on some battlefields...hmm that might be an interesting scenario too! Mole/human hybrids? What about the Russians simply using dogs for this. I dont think the Soviets would create something really fancy if they could do it just as effective with osmething more common. A great example was writing in space...due to the lack of gravity a normal ink pen wouldnt work, hence the US (well NASA) spent millions of dollars to create a pen which could be used to write with in a zero-gravity enviroment. The Russians on the other hand had already solved the problem, they used a blacklead pencil...no ink problem! Just an example that the Russians would simply use a more direct approach instead of creating something too fancy and expensive. |
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Post by xeoran on Jul 4, 2006 14:02:17 GMT -5
As Tord says you are sooo neat. Can we call you mini-mod!?!  Like Tord I reckon we would see loads of experimental weapons used, there would definately be no rules of engagement. I can see Mechs with napalm rocket launchers, mini nukes (level a city block, radition will kill you in 20 years unless you are too close to the balst...), Stalin Apes with metal hands and various "implanted" weapons, wires across streets to knock out couriers, behead soldiers and stop helicopters from coming too close, snipers using portable video cameras (very tempermental) to hunt down victims, drone sentry guns with motion detectors, an eight legged monstrosity sent by the Germans into tunnels (anyone remember the tunnel bug on Klendathu in "Starship Troopers"- that but human and covered in weird metal, steel claws etc), hell even a psichicly controlled "modified" monster squid in the river..... Oh and rather than monster tanks perhaps the Russians have some bits of the metro (which can come to the surface) intacts with armoured/artillery trains....That said I can see bulldozer tanks, rocket tanks, assault gun tanks etc. A monster tank is certainly an idea though. Russians would certainly conscript everyone. I can see them grabbing alive citizerns and using them as human waves or making them carry equipment/ammunition across the city. As for halflings- they dont need them, they have the many smaller asiatic peoples (who we sould make different to the usual "western" Russian infantry) to use. Also thats a bit too close to Ratlings. Hmm, crazy Russian tunnel men. I can see lots of German "beasts" (think Confrontations Dirz Abberation- look it up if you dont know it- it rocks) for the tunnels (small scuttling flesh beasts etc) as well as German infantry with night sights (three glowing eyes in the dark...). Lots of flamethrowers too. I doubt the Russians could get ape men into the sewers so perhaps they use "tunnel armour", basicly big beefy guys in powered/exo armour with lots of plates stuck to the front (so troops cqan hide behind) with a metal shield and fist mounted cannon/flamethrowers. (after all most "experiment beasts" should be German- I see the Russians putting their faith not in the occult or beasts like the Allies [-ish] and Germans but in cold steel and political fervour [perhaps they mount political speakers on these armours and tanks]). Mutated Chimp troops might be cool though (add steel jaw, clawed hands, dogs sense of smell and cat eyes and its pretty cute/horrible). Malikas is dead right on how they get supplies though both might try using the river (just like in history though only the Russians used it then). I can also see Zepplin convoys (like the British in the Atlantic) attacked by desperate Russian planes....On the mole driller perhaps the Germans have a tunneling creature of their own, a hunter killer, that goes after these mole drillers (imagine the cramped and sweaty Russians with just large bore pistols hearing the sound of somethig on thewir roof, the clanging steel etc). The metros might be used to move supplies inside the city too, you might have armoured metro trains fighting through blockades and the like. Soviet goriallas had definately be there, I see several kinds (all heavily modified with metal bits)- chimps with mines, grenades and molotovs hunting tanks, Gorilla shock infantry using metal shields, large bore SMG's, flamethrowers, bazookas etc (perhaos give them humanoid faces as uniformed apes might look too comical- half man adn half ape literally.) |
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Post by malika on Jul 4, 2006 14:11:45 GMT -5
Oh I wouldnt go too far with the monkey thing, just keep a big brute gorilla in there, no little monkeys which are more sofisticated...*gets creepy Planet of the Apes visions*
I would there would be any real military metros since this is a purely civilian vehicle, but I could imagine the Russians having improvised them for more military like use by adding plates of steel to them and shooting holes for their rifles etc.
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As for the Starship Trooper like monsters...hmm personally Im not too big a fan of too many weird animals/monsters in here as in it would be cooler if the conflict remained mostly human based. (with some occult/sci fi elements)
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Post by xeoran on Jul 4, 2006 14:20:11 GMT -5
As you say- converted not military metros- though they might import say an armoured train or bits of one.
On the ape front- no not too far but I feel we should stick with the apes if we want more mutants (beyond mutating humans or say dogs).
Russians used child children (12+) in their normal military units.....
Hitler Jugend could easily be very sinister "home" force.
Again, I agree that we shouldnt have too many monsters but I think that the Germans and Russians would mutate like they made tanks. The Russians develop a couple of sturdy reliable ones and then have sub groups. The Germans design something new for everything. Obviously humans should do the majority but a few (so not the numbers we see in SST) nasties. Rare but there.
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Post by xeoran on Jul 4, 2006 14:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by tordenskjold on Jul 4, 2006 15:24:32 GMT -5
Good links as always Xeoran, German tunnel bugs is definantly something to consider, and having some Russian robots/mechs haunting the tunnels would be very cool, I woulden't want to be the German soldiers stuck in the sewers when the Russian machine in front of me fires it's flamethrower!
The Russian Tunnel creatures was inspired by an idea I heard about british commandos being injected with a serum that slowly turned them into rat/human hybrids. I thought it was a very cool idea and found it fitting for the sewers and tunnels of Stalingrad.
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Post by malika on Jul 4, 2006 15:34:11 GMT -5
Off Topic: I dont think the german soldier would be that worried about enemies, non-stop indoctrination and genetic/chemical therapy might have turned off certain psychological problems such as fear or remorse...
Thats a creepy idea, but I dont think it fits that well with the Soviet pragmatism, especially combined with its ideology which is made up to "protect the worker" (how much this became true is very debatable but lets not do that)
I would love to see the Russian develop move into robotics (either braintransplants, remote control or actual AI) instead of weird monsters and occult stuff.
Something which might be taking it a bit too far but sounding cool in my head is the idea of having Stalingrad eventually grow to be an additional supplement to the game/rulebook which could be focussed on urban fighting and would be a great way to introduce the Russians into the game since the first version of the game will be focussed on the Americans against the Germans.
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Post by tordenskjold on Jul 4, 2006 15:43:32 GMT -5
Yeah, but the feeling of having your skin turned into mogolian barbaque probably hurts no matter how fearless you are ;D The idea of Stalingrad as a supplement sounds very fitting, maybe focused on small scale close combat urban-and underground fighting, and introducing the Russians (or at least more of the Russian troops) would be good. Wecould also have the allies included, as small British and American commando teams could be brought secretly into the city. (and maybe they could be rat/men creatures ) |
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Post by malika on Jul 4, 2006 15:51:53 GMT -5
Hmm, chemicals might be used to remove the sense of pain, mental conditioning might also work in favour of that. Ive seen men eat broken glass, shove nails through their arms, dance in fire without a single sensation of pain...and not been fed any drugs! The Nazis were known to have made contact with the Tibetan royalty, perhaps they learned some of their mind secrets or something pulpy like that As for Americans and British in Stalingrad...personally I would say no to that! I think it would be cool to have another supplement released waaaay later (after the Stalingrad one) which would introduce the British into the game. But ok these things are not for me to decide... |
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Post by xeoran on Jul 5, 2006 3:14:15 GMT -5
The Russian Tunnel creatures was inspired by an idea I heard about british commandos being injected with a serum that slowly turned them into rat/human hybrids. I thought it was a very cool idea and found it fitting for the sewers and tunnels of Stalingrad. Oook! Reminds me of SOE's "rat bomb" (dont ask, really, just dont). I think the German soldiers would still feel fear- not least because fearless troops would have too high a mortality rate. Instead onlky certain suicide units would be fearless. At the very least common sense dictates that the German soldier would know he can serve Germany better alive and not as toasty fried Wermacht kebab! I doubt the Russians would want to "protect the worker"- after all human waves arent very "protecting". And anyway they can just test them on prisoners in gulags or penal troopers! Not a huge fan of the robotics idea- that strikes me as being something the allies (what with inventing the first computer and all) would do. Instead I feel they would go with general machinery- no fancy tricks just warm bodies and cold metal. Also they might pioneer psionics instead of occultism. On the supplement front I think Osterfront, Sudenfront and Esterfront (I know thats probably horrificly bad German) would introduce; Russians (and everything on the eastern front), British (and the African front), Japanese (and the far Eastern front). The only Allies I see in Stalingrad would be the real life training staff sent to help the Russians with Allied made equipment. |
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Post by malika on Jul 5, 2006 4:01:44 GMT -5
Perhaps no computers, but braintransplants, hence using human organs to work a metallic shell. I doubt the Russian Commissars would be very happy with that, heck I doubt most Russians would be happy with that, these same Allies invaded their country a decade before the Germans invaded Russia, so the idea of having Brits and Yanks in the Motherland might be sometihng the Russians wouldnt take too kindly. |
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Post by skorzeny on Jul 5, 2006 11:00:16 GMT -5
No way Stalin would condone western troops operating in his territory. He even interred Allied air crews that landed in Soviet terrirtory during the war.
On the Soviet front, I have to admit that I'm really a fan of having them heavily involved in psychic/psionic research - an area the KGB delved heavily in after the war. If Soviet weird science needs a theme, I think mental powers and their expolitation would be a good way to go and avoid German occultism/chemicals/cybernetics, American robotics and Tesla-tech, Japanese biological weaponry and of course the mysticism/occultism no decent commie would even consider.
Now, on the Jugend front, what if Nazi ethnic breeding programs actually succeeded in creating the 'uberman' Himmler wanted. Aging toward maturity faster than normal children, these twelve year olds look 16 and have enhanced strength, endurance, etc as a result of their 'pure' blood. They'd make a really good extrapolation of German forces based on actual Nazi programs, most likely as some sort of SS auxiliary. Think 'Space Marines' only without the loads of experience and tactical skill, and lacking all the extra organs, naturally.
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Post by xeoran on Jul 5, 2006 13:20:03 GMT -5
The Russkies werent happy but they did allow Allied servicemen to come and train them in the use of allied tanks.
Not so keen on Hitler Jugend actually in game- morally child soldiers arent so nice....(though backround wise ti makes sense).
Definately have the Russians using psionics, probably developed by "science".
Brain translplants are great- perhaps even brain swaps with other creatures.
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