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Post by xeoran on Jul 26, 2006 4:14:22 GMT -5
As anyone who has studied Operation Barbarossa will know the successful Russian counterattack around Moscow was performed by Siberian troops, lately arrived. The reason for this was that Russia was adraid of a Japanese invasion and second front. But how cool would it be if in our history Japan does invade (at least at some point), leading to a war in snowy Siberia between Snow troops, Japs, Cossacks and the like. Siberia being so desolate, cold and free of people would also make an excellent testing ground for Unit 731 and other Russian and Japanese secret projects.
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Post by malika on Aug 11, 2006 6:43:43 GMT -5
Sounds very cool. I would imagine the Russians to be better adapted to the climate at first, but the Japanese with superior technology not being that bothered by that. If this would be included in the game there should definately be rules for the cold climate! ;D
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Post by xeoran on Aug 11, 2006 6:46:44 GMT -5
Definately cold climate rules. Jap tech vs Russian bodies.
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Post by skorzeny on Aug 11, 2006 8:04:39 GMT -5
Recall if the war has stalled out for so long, the Japanese might expand the use of 'colonial' troopers. Koreans and Chinese from northern Manchuria would be extremely well suited to cold climates.
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Post by malika on Aug 13, 2006 7:14:14 GMT -5
Sounds cool as well! However I would assume that the Japanese might give them slightly inferior Jap technology, to kind of stick to the idea of Russians as the meatgrinder against the Asians with their technology.
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Post by tordenskjold on Aug 14, 2006 3:15:27 GMT -5
The Siberian front would be a good excuse for pitting Russians and Japanese against each other, with Russia relying on the usual wave tactics, and the Japanese with their much smaller army being entrenched or relying on superior pulp technology. Colonial Japanese troops could give the professional Japanese army the manpower needed to fight a longer war, while the Russians could rely on Chinese communist rebels to attack Japanese supply lines and generally disrupt their war efforts. (I would love a young Foreman Mao as a special character ;D)
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Post by malika on Aug 14, 2006 4:51:34 GMT -5
Personally I would try to avoid having historical characters as playable characters, keep them in the background. Perhaps we could have luitenants of these historical figures run around?
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Post by tordenskjold on Aug 14, 2006 10:18:06 GMT -5
Definantly, like the NKVD officers who acted more or less on direct orders from Stalin.
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Post by xeoran on Aug 14, 2006 11:00:34 GMT -5
Colonial troops are excellent! Though the Japs would as ever use them as inferiors. Also allows Chino-Korean shamans who have been experimented on by Unit 731....
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Post by tordenskjold on Aug 15, 2006 4:00:26 GMT -5
I don't think the Koreans or Chinese had any Shamans at the time, the mongols would be more likely to have some witch docters/mages, and the Japanese did try to start a rebellion in the Soviet controled Mongolia, so Mongolian shamans in the Japanese army would make sense.
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Post by skorzeny on Aug 15, 2006 5:14:16 GMT -5
Well, if chaplains were involved, the Imperial Japanese Army did have Buddhist chaplains. Not sure if the IJN also had chaplains though. Apparently Buddhist doctrine, or at least a militarist deriviative of it, was felt to be a more amenable belief-system for the IJA than traditional Shintoism, which was then the more dominant belief system in Japan.
I'd see any colonial troops certainly acting as inferior and very disposable soldiers, so far as the Japanese are concerned, with no officers of their own, being commanded by Japanese officers who are upset that they have been handed the dishonour of commanding 'inferior' soldiers. Historically, Korean guards at POW camps were even more brutal and vicious than their Japanese counterparts - always trying to prove their value and loyalty to their Japanese overlords. Never underestimate the tenacity and meaness of the oppressed. If you can't beat 'em, try your best to get 'em to let you join up!
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Post by xeoran on Aug 16, 2006 3:48:59 GMT -5
So how about making these Jap slave troops badly equipped, potential experiments but more brutal than normal soldiers. Bit like the Russian penal troopers. Hmm, militant Buddhist chaplains sound very cool for occultists. Mongolians might well have Shamans (I know at least they have "wise men").
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Post by malika on Aug 16, 2006 5:02:03 GMT -5
Hmmm if we are going to include Mongolians it would be cool to see them all on horses ;D
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Post by skorzeny on Aug 16, 2006 7:19:56 GMT -5
Be a good excuse to give the Japanese cavalry forces... after all, the Soviets would have communist Cossacks, so the Japanese would probably be happy to have something that could exploit the same sort of tactics. The only question is - would they trust the Mongolians enough to use them that way?
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Post by tordenskjold on Aug 17, 2006 2:15:35 GMT -5
The mongolians were very anti-soviet, they never had the armed might to revolt, but the Japanese did try to start a Mongolian rebbelion, as they realised they would need allies if they were to keep the Russians out of Japanese controlled China (Manchuriet?). in a pulp setting the Japanese could have been succesful, and now have taken over Mongolia using Mongolians to fight against the Russians like they used their other colonial troops.
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