Occult Ideas

[malika]

Moscow are sissies...Petrograd owns em all!!! ;D

Sorry...little hooligan moment there

[xeoran]

malika said:

Moscow are sissies...Petrograd owns em all!!! ;D

Sorry...little hooligan moment there

Hah, Sthingyhorpe United can take you all! ;D ;D

[malika]

FEYENOORD!!! (yeah Rotterdam Pride moment there)

But yeah occult, Ive been interested in the "warzone" deeper in Africa, so jungles and savannas etc with local magic/occult stuff.

In my other thread for "hunting down the scientists" we could also include something like "hunting down the occultists" which would just be part of that same campaign in which Americans and Russians try to capture these valuable figures.

[xeoran]

I can see them hunting down shamans to discover how magic works...Hitler/Himmler were also interested in Finnish magic so thats a good place for hunting occultists.

[malika]

Hmm the short teaser stories Darkson posted a while ago might be fitting for this. You would have a German unit lead by the female SS officer, travelling all across the world finding important figures. The Americans would follow them and try to figure out what's going on.

[xeoran]

True, plus I can see barmy Russians in there too...

My only problem is who the Americans wouldsend, their problem being that in terms of commando missions and local intelligence there aws a high level of reliance (mostly in the West) on British SOE, Commando, SAS units wth the Yanks only really having Marine Raiders and Rangers. So who would the Americans send, i think we need to create an American occult unit/organisation.

[skorzeny]

God help us, the Yanks job it out to the private sector!

Actually, maybe an advanced OSS that is more along the lines of the CIA it eventually evolved into. This is 1946, after all, so some liberties with history are already being taken. With that said, I fear that experience-wise, the American commando/spy operatives would be quite behind British and Soviet equivalents, and their more direct adversaries the Germans and Japanese. Fortunately, any team of infiltrators is more likely to run against regular troops than they are 'Smersh' types, at least in the short term.

[xeoran]

OSS or CIA would be good. I'm thinking something like Hellboys BPRD- but would it be American only or an Allied venture.

[malika]

I think the Americans would have their own organisation. Something like the CIA sounds good, they had another one of those before right? Then, your occult organisation could be a division of that larger organisation or something.

[xeoran]

OSS are the forefathers of the CIA.

[skorzeny]

Before that, the only thing America had was the FBI, and that was strictly domestic in nature (and rather unsubtle in methods). Recall, the US was extremely isolationist, and as a result had woefully inadequete military and intelligence before entering WWII. Doves tend to take things too far when the dogs of war are sent back to the kennels, but the interwar downsize and neglect of the US military was simply idiotic. For instance, sniper wasn't even a tactic that was taught to soldiers or officers, although the tactic was brought back as soon as hostilities flared up again.

I'm less sure of a combined Allied intelligence group, this seems like an area that should be split rather severely on nationalist lines, with the occasional liason (and the more frequent double, or triple, agent). If there was a combined group, you can bet the Soviets wouldn't be invited and would be screaming bloody murder about that.

[xeoran]

No the soviets wouldnt be there but I can see a "Western Intelligence Group" where they smooth things over by "limiting" agents to the Western Front. As it is we will have Soviets fighting Allies so diplomacy is somewhat shaky....

[malika]

Recall, the US was extremely isolationist, and as a result had woefully inadequete military and intelligence before entering WWII.

I'll ignore the US policy in the Carribean then...

Before that, the only thing America had was the FBI, and that was strictly domestic in nature (and rather unsubtle in methods).

What about the OSS?

As it is we will have Soviets fighting Allies so diplomacy is somewhat shaky....

Well the Soviets were part of the Allies, so in this game they would be allied...eventhough its a shaky alliance. However in this campaign which is entirely "classified" it would mean that the soviets and western allies would have conflicts against each other. But since these are not "official" confrontations it would mean that the Allies remain as a "united" front against the germans.

[xeoran]

Well the US do kinda regard places in the Caribbean as home territory. Isolationist just means that they ignore evrything in S. America (bar Mexico), Europe, Asia, Oceania, Africa.

OSS was VERY small. And not around for long.

Well I see this as more of a DUST thing, Allies and Soviets are willing to fight together but occassionally rogue elements....

[malika]

OSS was VERY small. And not around for long.

So what did the US have during WWII, or do we need to make up a totally new organisation? Or perhaps say that its the "US department of defence" or something like that?

Well the US do kinda regard places in the Caribbean as home territory. Isolationist just means that they ignore evrything in S. America (bar Mexico),

And Central America *cough* Nicaragua and Panama *cough*, if we are making the conflict larger with Germans potentially entering the Carribean the Americans would perhaps have an even more "agressive" military presence in that area. The Carribean "front" is an interesting area to work out, but we have to be very careful with it as that we dont over do it.

Well I see this as more of a DUST thing, Allies and Soviets are willing to fight together but occassionally rogue elements

But the same goes for the Germans in that perspective, as in that German rogues try to defect to the Americans (for example) and would together attack the Russians who are persuing them or sometihng along those lines.