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Post by LibrarianBrent on Aug 10, 2005 20:29:00 GMT -5
Each army should have some "good" (or, in some cases, "better") troops, and then some "bad" troops as well. For example, normally-good Americans could have some kind of weird conspiracy agents or something, where a normally-evil faction like the Germans could have troops conscripted into the army who didn't believe in the Nazi ideology. This would allow for very cool player-driven fluff per army, and would distinguish different players even more.
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Post by malika on Aug 10, 2005 20:45:24 GMT -5
Personally I think we should let the Nazis keep their "elite" feel to the army, only "high tech" and powerful troops. Compare them almost to the 40k Space Marines. The Russians would have lots of conscripts, the Japanese might employ Chinese conscripts.
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Post by LibrarianBrent on Aug 10, 2005 22:12:02 GMT -5
Even Marines have Scout squads...
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Post by malika on Aug 11, 2005 3:45:35 GMT -5
and still these scouts are the creme de la creme, I dont see the Nazis employing some sort of weak forced unit as a scout.
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Post by recon63 on Oct 1, 2005 0:50:26 GMT -5
Quote: Well lets look to history? Who was kind of neutral during the war? France Sweden China Norway Finland Australia Canada I'm Bloody insulted , us Australians were not neutral at all. When Britian declared war on Germany, the entire British Empire/Commonwealth did as well. The Australians fought the Germans, Italians, Japanese, in other words all members of the Axis Powers, in nearly every theatre of the War, and as a last note Gen. Macarthur used Australia as his planning/staging area for the entire Pacific Theatre against the Japanese Enough of the ranting. I would agree more with LibrarianBrent to a degree. the Aliies and Axis (who ever makes up these groups) will be pursuing their National interests of world domination; defeat of the invader/occupationists; etc, but there could be subgroups with agendas very different from the national interest. That would make for some very interesting gaming ideas...........even having the classic " blue on blue" conflicts.
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Post by Darkson on Oct 1, 2005 2:09:23 GMT -5
recon63 That was posed as a question not a statement. I was asking who was neutral? And you are right every group has its own agenda and in the end they will fight for their own reasons. You could have loads of sub plots that would inspire you to play a game. We will try to create different scenarios to help along these games.
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Post by recon63 on Oct 1, 2005 2:45:48 GMT -5
sorry my bad; miss interrpretation on my part. would like to see scenarios in the following fronts: eastern front; pacific region/jungle; commando raids (the eagle has landed style); assination scenarios would also be interesting ie the attempted removal of an influencial leader to alter the course of the war.
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Post by warlordgrubnatz on Oct 5, 2005 12:42:08 GMT -5
Yes India, new zealand and Austrialia played a huge part in the british war effort, unfortunatly tehese are usualy just seen as britain. I agree that an armies actions should dictate weather you are good are bad, for example not every german was a natzi. The germans voted for the nazis because they were in pverty and all starving (from ww1) and thhe natzi party said 'if you vote for us we will feed you and you children' and blamed the poverty on jews, gypsies etc. So some german sliders could be non-natzis, although they wouldnt rise very high, and not all germans were evil. Also not all brits and yanks were good (us Brits invented the concentration camp) and war crimes were commited on all sides.
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Post by kousa on Oct 22, 2005 14:37:01 GMT -5
finland could be neutral...or a bit evil country, 'cause they have had to ally with germany in desperation at war against russia. then they have been used to what germans have done/are doing and have gone more to the evil side. now they support germany and the axis in their military operations as sending specialists to different battlefields and they receive in the deal axis troops and wargear to defend their land from threats. in real life, there were many fins fighting in SS-forces (mainly to attack communism and some have supported the nazi cause and wanted to fight in their ranks) just my ideas, may need some work, so help is welcome
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Post by malika on Oct 23, 2005 7:12:48 GMT -5
Since we are altering history I think it might be cool to have a more pro Axis regime in Finland, this however would not make them 'evil' (good and evil are terms I think we should try to stay as far away from as possible), however make them strongly anti Russian, perhaps to such a degree that the Germans could get shocked. Perhaps the German propaganda machine would show how "savage" the Finnish are against the Russians to make the masses believe that the Germans are the true liberators of the world and their race bla bla.
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Post by warlordgrubnatz on Oct 23, 2005 8:17:09 GMT -5
yeah I like malikas' idea, The finish like all countries can be considered good or evil but because they are facist would be percived as more evil. The nazis' would use their allies as tools and it makes sense to put their allies in a bad light to make themselves look good.
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Post by kousa on Oct 23, 2005 9:38:55 GMT -5
actually nazis thought that fins were Soldiers (with big s), 'cause they were really effective with only a rifle. but hey, the savage thing is good too
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Post by malika on Oct 23, 2005 10:12:08 GMT -5
The nazis' would use their allies as tools and it makes sense to put their allies in a bad light to make themselves look good. Very fitting with the whole German propaganda machine. They could use the Finnish eventually as terrortroops while their normal forces (who could really be seen as worse as in 'evil' than the Finnish) would get this 'knight in shiny armour' feel to them in the propaganda. The Fins remain the Soldiers (with the big s). the German command thinks the same, however in the propaganda machine the media would just tell a warped version of what happened.
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Post by warlordgrubnatz on Oct 23, 2005 13:47:43 GMT -5
yes exactly. They could pick out warcrimes by the finish soldiers and leak them while their soldiers would humantiatrainly (sp) arrest prisoners of war using non-violent constaint. They could have an area 51 esque propaganda base were they film false reports and do strange experiments.
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Post by malika on Oct 23, 2005 16:41:55 GMT -5
For example, another idea might be that the Finnish hardly commit these warcrimes and that the Nazi propaganda machine stages these crimes. Or dont even film it, they just put it in the newspaper like: "our glorious troops have witnessed how the Finnish have butchered yet another communist village" Dont mix things up I think the German propaganda machine would be under control of the ministry of information (or whatever its called), while strange experiments would be conducted under the command of for example the SS medical group (other name I know) or whoever else (depending on what kind of experiment it is) I mean you dont see scientists doing creepy experiments in the BBC studio right?
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